Kings of the Road: Chatting With Directors Aaron Katz & Martha Stephens and the Cast of ‘Land Ho!’

When you think about ego-driven filmmakers it’s hard to put Aaron Katz and Martha Stephens in that category. Both have had impressive careers thus far, making their own brand of films (Katz with mumblecore milestones like Quiet City and Cold Weather; and Stephens with intimate tales like Passenger Pigeons and Pilgrim Song)—but when it came time to make a film in Iceland that explores the friendship of two retirees, the two decided it would be best to collaborate. It kind of sums up the serendipitous spirit that surrounds their film Land Ho!—with little knowledge of Iceland before heading out and two actors who didn’t know each other, the four would embark on a friendship building experience, that is certainly evident in what you see on screen.

In Land Ho! Earl Lynn Nelson (who has starred in Stephens’ films) and Paul Eenhoorn (This Is Martin Bonner) play former brother-in-laws who meet up after having not seen each other in decades. Nelson’s Mitch is a brash, horny, loud mouth with a heart of gold who loves everything life has to offer, while Eenhoorn’s Collin is quiet, reserved and still hurting from his divorce. But Mitch hopes to change that when he springs a surprise trip to Iceland on his buddy, expenses paid. This leads to a fish-out-of-water journey to some of the most beautiful locals in Iceland filled with hilarious scenes, lush photography and a superb score by Keegan DeWitt.

We caught up with Katz, Stephens, Nelson and Eenhoorn at a bar in Park City days after their premiere at Sundance to talk about the experience making the film and why this may not be the last time we see this gang together.

What inspired this?

Katz: Martha texted me in January of last year and said, “Do you want to make a movie together?” And I wasn’t sure, so I called her and we talked and thought we should take Earl Lynn to Iceland. I said those two things sound great, and then we saw our friend Chad Hartigan made a film that was here last year called This Is Martin Bonner that starred Paul and we saw that and said let’s get him too and do this.

Nelson: But Aaron had never met me before.

Stephens: But Aaron had seen Passenger Pigeons and Pilgrim Song.

Katz: Yeah, we all met for the first time when we shot for the first five days in Kentucky back in May. We drove up and were shooting the next day.

Stephens: We were all bunked up in Earl Lynn’s house and it was getting together and having a big party all weekend.

What were some of the challenges shooting this?

Stephens: Weather. Making a film in a foreign country. A lot of things were different, like the price of fuel, it’s like $10 a gallon, food is two to three times as expensive as it is here. Other than the weather, and we shot all over the southern coast, so it was packing up and moving around a lot. It wears on you.

Was there a certain time of year you wanted to go there, just for the look you wanted?

Stephens: We knew we needed to be there anytime before winter because there is no access to many of the places where we shot. I mean, we were a week away from a lot of those roads closing.

Katz: And I think one of the biggest challenges for Paul and Earl Lynn is in the order of the movie we start to move farther and farther into the countryside, but because of the weather concerns we shot it backwards.

Eenhoorn: Completely in reverse.

Katz: So we really would get everyone together and focus on what we had to do that day.

Paul, did you and Earl Lynn talk at all about the characters?

Eenhoorn: I don’t really do any backstory. I worked a lot with Earl Lynn in just improvising and these guys let us figure it out.

Nelson: I didn’t need any backstory. But it was interesting, the first part of the movie we’re getting personal and the characters were going in as friends of twenty years, but after chopping some onions together we ourselves found a connection with each other.

Katz: One reason we did the shoot in Kentucky was, I’d never met Earl Lynn and Martha and Paul had never met each other so we just wanted to see what it would be like all working together. So what we found out was Paul and Earl Lynn have a perfect balance for each other. The movie is about opposites in many ways and I think Martha and I are opposites in some ways, and the two characters are opposites, so shooting in Kentucky gave us an idea of what it was going to be like.

How was it sharing the directorial reigns?

Katz: We didn’t talk about any of that. You know, “Martha is going to do this, I’m going to do that.” It wasn’t like that. We just did it and because we had both made our own features we were comfortable doing anything. We exchanged glances on set and that was enough.

Martha, looking back is this what you imagined when coming with Aaron with the idea?

Stephens: Yeah. I went and scouted Iceland with my husband and chose all the locations through our experience traveling around. Looking back I don’t think there’s much I would have done differently.

Katz: I wouldn’t have done anything differently. We couldn’t have expected every single thing that happened, but part of what we wanted to do was set up circumstances where we didn’t know what was going to happen.

What elevates the film is the music, talk a bit about developing that.

Stephens: The music is really an ode to buddy comedies like Planes, Trains and Automobiles or Tommy Boy, so we wanted the music to capture that era of film. We went for a almost Bruce Springsteen “Tunnel of Love” meets Paul Simon “Graceland” meets cheesy ‘80s score and really wanted to embrace global music. So there’s Celtic stuff and some Australian stuff. I mean, Keegan DeWitt [who did the music] had no time and made something magical in a week of work (Read more about Keegan’s work on this and fellow Sundance entry Listen Up Philip). And the pop song we were able to get was Big Country’s “In A Big Country,” which was a childhood favorite.

Will we see a sequel?

Stephens: I’d love to do a sequel.

Nelson: We’ve talked about a sequel. We talked about Hawaii.

Katz: Of course I’d do it. There are so many unknowns in this and that was part of the challenge and for me what was exciting, but I think it was a really great experience.

Stephens: I think our sequel could be The Muppet Movie where we have cameos by famous people.

Eenhoorn: No, it’s going to be like Fast and Furious. But seriously, sometimes in this business there’s serendipity and this is that.

Sundance Exclusive: Composer Keegan DeWitt on ‘Listen Up Philip’ & ‘Land Ho!’

When it comes to scoring a film, having a symbiotic relationship between composer and director plays a massive role in creating a sonic texture that both engages your emotions and correlates with the work thematically. If a score truly speaks to the sentiment of the film, it not only exists to bring the filmmaker’s vision to life, but elevates the film and opens up the world on screen. And for Keegan DeWitt, with his work in the past year alone, he is swiftly establishing himself as one of the most versatile and interesting composers weaving through the world of independent film.

After scoring 2013 Sundance selections This Is Martin Bonner and Life According to Sam, DeWitt began work on two vastly different but equally dynamic scores with his friends and collaborators Alex Ross Perry, Aaron Katz, and Martha Stephens for their latest features—which will have Sundance 2014 premieres this week.

As his follow up to The Color Wheel, Perry’s new and highly-anticipated Listen Up Philip—starring Jason Schwartzman and Elisabeth Moss—tells the story of:

 Philip as he awaits the publication of his sure-to-succeed second novel. He feels pushed out of his adopted home city by the constant crowds and noise, a deteriorating relationship with his photographer girlfriend Ashley, and his own indifference to promoting the novel.  When Philip’s idol Ike Zimmerman (Jonathan Pryce)offers his isolated summer home as a refuge, he finally gets the peace and quiet to focus on his favorite subject—himself.

DeWitt’s score for the film is not only stunning, but with its intricate jazz orchestration, pushed him into new territory as an artist. Recorded over a single weekend, DeWitt’s original songs take the shape of “standards” and were interpreted into different incarnations by a quintet to make the smooth deliciousness of 1950s’s jazz come alive in modern day New York.

But in working with long-time friend Aaron Katz and Martha Stephens on their road trip comedy Land Ho!, DeWitt found himself on the opposite end of the sonic spectrum. Starring Paul Eenhoorn and Earl Lynn Nelson, the film follows:

Mitch, a brassy former surgeon, convinces mild-mannered Colin, his ex-brother-in-law, to holiday with him in Iceland. The pair set off through Reykjavik ice bars, trendy spas, and adventurous restaurants in an attempt to reclaim their youth, but they quickly discover that you can’t escape yourself, no matter how far you travel.

And in writing this, DeWitt crafted a score that followed the directors’ particular affinity for late-1980s Australian One Hit Wonders—giving a synthetic and playful energy to the story. Featuring vocals by Ólöf Rún Benediktsdóttir, the songs feel akin to what you’d hear in an 80s buddy comedy, employing another facet of DeWitt’s musical talents.

But when not scoring films, DeWitt can be found leading the band Wild Cub, whose new record Youth debuts next week. And today, in celebration of Listen Up Philip and Land Ho! having their Sundance premieres, we’re thrilled to debut a track from each of the films, which you can listen to below.

Take a listen, see what DeWitt had to say about the experience of bringing  them to life, and enjoy.

So tell me about your relationship to Aaron and Alex as filmmakers and how you connected with their work?

They’re both really different in cool ways. Alex’s score was really tough. With a lot of scores, I can build out of different things from what I have in my library or I can play everything myself, and for Listen Up Philip, it was a really daunting in that he sent me some of the greatest music recorded in American—in terms of Miles Davis and classic jazz music. The songs were intimidating, they’re not just something I can play myself.

Had you worked within the realm of jazz before?

No,  so for me, it was an especially daunting thing—but I’m a huge jazz fan and understood the basic construct of jazz. I was in LA scoring Aaron’s movie and they said, “Okay, it’s looking good for Sundance for Listen Up Philip, do you want to do it? Here’s the score that we have and we’ve got three weeks to do it.” So it was really terrifying in a way, because not only did I have to explore and understand jazz core voicing, but I had to write six or seven jazz standards.

Jazz recordings are essentially constructed like, here’s a 12 bar phrase and here’s the melody and we’re going to do that and establish that and then we’re going to abstract it through a bunch of improvisation. So I had to write them as if they were like, hey let’s act like this was a sentimental mood or a classic jazz standard—except I was writing them myself. And I went and found the five best jazz players in Nashville and recorded with them over a single weekend on tape to make them sound as authentic as possible.

It was a concept that I l had little to no experience in, but it was something that I only had one weekend to do. We were up against Sundance and we were up against what it cost to get the people I wanted—I couldn’t just get any musicians. To get people to play all of those songs that Miles played back in the day, I knew that there was a certain pressure on having to find the best players. So because we had to find them and get in a good studio and get them on tape to capture these moments, there was this huge pressure to do it.

But that was super exciting and I felt like I made up my mind right away when he sent me the movie. I sat down and watched it and I was so in love with the movie and so in love with the idea of it and the music and how they work together. I spent nine years in New York before I moved to Nashville, and for me, it just really captured this great resonant spot. So I was like, well, I know it seems impossible but I know I have no choice but to try and figure out how to do it. I also had the help of an amazing arranger, Alex Hills, who was critical in helping put the session and tracks together.

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And with Land Ho! the music was an entirely different world. Aaron is someone you’ve worked with many times in the past, so how was this experience?

The great thing about working with Aaron is, we were driving around talking about movies when we were fifteen growing up in Portland—so that’s kind of how that whole thing began. Aaron had been talking about a bunch of projects and I know Martha had been in the process of making her movies. It always happens this way with Aaron, just when I think that I’m never going to hear from him again, he pops back up on my phone and says, “Okay we decided to make a movie and we’re going to do it a month from now and it’s going to be with these people and we’re going to shoot it.”

So I was really excited just to have Aaron working on something again. But also, because it’s one of those things where I watched it and was like, I don’t totally know how to score this—which is exciting to me. I always know something’s good if my first impulse is to not put music to it. And that’s really exciting. But with them, it was much more specific. With Alex he was like, listen to Miles’ stuff but it could be anything. That film itself spoke more in terms of themes, whereas Aaron and Martha, they said, “Hey we’re really addicted to the idea of this feeling like a late-80s, early-90s buddy road trip movie, as if there was a top 40 Australian pop band and they got hired to score it, you know?”

Like, imagine you’re in an Australian pop band and you have a number one hit and you’ve been hired by Paramount to score the new John Candy road trip movie–that was essentially what I was trying to do. And especially because there were two directors, there was a lot of exploration in some ways, and in other ways, it was a lot more strict like, this is the vibe that we’re trying to explore, we want to hit at these specific sounds.  So I was having to go and dig and find those crazy drum samples and saxophones and things like that. I had a couple funny conversations with them where I was like, “Hey guys, just so you know, although late-80s music sounds really hokey and silly, it’s super complicated because it just happens to be the single most over-produced era in music ever.”

That was another thing—I felt like, from last year at Sundance, having Chad [Hartigan]’s movie This is Martin Bonner and deconstructing opera, and then this year doing one that was 80s pop crazy sounds, mixed with Alex’s movie and Chad’s, I feel like I’ve fully expanded the capacity of my brain. I was like, this is really cool and I’m finding a way to bridge all these things. And you know, especially for me, because I’m coming from a world of being in a band that has a certain construct to it, there’s a lot of virtues to film scoring. But I feel like those projects especially, and this year at Sundance, are two polar opposites and are a great example of the freedom that I can really try and do whatever I want to do.

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I always thought that would be the greatest thing as a composer, getting to inhabit these different worlds and explore different parts of yourself as a musician to fit inside someone else’s head—whereas with a band there’s usually more of a consistency of theme.

Yeah, especially when the band has my face on it and people see my picture associated with it. But it’s different to be working on Alex’s score and holed away in some studio in Nashville with 55 to 60-year-old jazz musicians who are just gnarly dudes who have seen everything and traveled the United States in the past 30 years playing legit jazz music.

But your band Wild Cub has album coming out soon as well?

Yeah, it comes out next Tuesday on the 21st. That’s also the date that we’ll be playing Jimmy Fallon.

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So between scoring, playing with Wild Cub, going to Sundance, playing Fallon it’s safe to say you’re pretty busy. Do you work well and enjoy that kinetic energy?

It came at a good point because it also coincided with right when I had a baby. So I’ve learned to sort of wrangle chaos a lot more than I might have been able to before. But it’s also awesome because, like we were just saying, it allows you the opportunity to really be able to bounce between worlds. It’s a little bit exhausting right now and it’s getting crazier being able to juggle it all, but I’m super super lucky and super unable to whine about it.

And the fact that the people you’re working with are filmmakers who you have strong friendships with I’m sure adds another layer of enjoyment.

Yeah, that’s also the cool thing about Alex and Martha and Aaron—yeah, we’re all the same age and all friends and it’s a collaboration through our friendship, but the other really cool thing is, somewhere about two-thirds of the way through the collaboration, you start to look at these people you’ve known for a long time and gain a new appreciation for them and the craziness that they’re navigating.

You get to really, really dig deep—that’s the best thing. I sit there with Alex and Aaron and I get a chance to really work with nuance of emotion. Film music can be the most overdone obnoxious thing, so figuring out how to do it tastefully and hit these really small moments with real precision as best as possible allows me to be able to appreciate the level of detail that people are putting into their movies. So being a part of that is really great. It’s so nice to get into the idea of refinement.

Can you tell me a little about the creation of  this Land Ho! track?

Land Ho! is obviously funny and really fun, but it’s one of those things where we’ve got the score, which is like the “doing stuff” music—driving from here to there, etc—but we wanted to act like this is the most expensive licensed soundtrack from 1988 and see what that would sound like. So I started to build it out with he synth and take some from Heart & Soul or Tom Tom Club, that kind of vibe.

I was trying to embrace the ability of not having to sing on things, so Aaron called me up one night and had this crazy idea. One of our producers—Ólöf Rún Benediktsdóttir—at the wrap party for the film, sang karaoke and when she got off we were like, holy shit she has an amazing voice. So we got in touch with her and on a whim got her to track the vocals, and that’s how that came together.

And what about with “Philip #1” and the variations of it?

I wrote seven “standards” where I wanted to treat them like a song book, like let’s take these songs that everyone has heard and are part of the American songbook and introduce specific arrangements of them for Miles. And so that track is one version out of a couple versions. That’s what we did for every track—we did one version and then did them in the style of a couple vibes of old ‘50s jazz recordings. So that was one we recorded fresh to tape and has the whole jazz quintet on it.

I had always really appreciated Miles but it’s really a testament to Robert [Greene] the editor and Alex, they really had such a great selection of Miles stuff in there and ESP and other really awesome sparse stuff that really spoke, at least to me, about what I really appreciated about Miles, which is withholding. His restraint was something that I really liked.

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Wild Cub’s Youth will be out 1/21 via Mom + Pop.