Sandra Bernhard On Her NY Shows This Week, Happiness, & Her Legacy

Sandra Bernhard will perform tonight at Carnegie Hall at a fundraiser to raise money for music education programs for underprivileged kids. The Music of Prince show produced by Michael Dorf has Elvis Costello, D’Angelo, Talib Kwell, Bettye Lavette, Amos Lee, Devotcka, and many others performing Prince hits. The Roots are the house band. And on Saturday, Sandra will appear at the Tarrytown Music Hall in the namesake NY suburb. This is part of her national tour which will take her through the summer. Sandra was the go-to gal for me when I opened two clubs back in the day, She wowed them on New Year’s Eve a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away with an all-star cast that she assembled when the Palladium entrusted me to fill it. She also set the tone for me at Life when I first launched that fabulously famous joint. In both cases, I enjoyed the consummate professional who wowed us off and on the stage. This week, I caught up with Sandra and asked her all about it.

First of all, let’s begin where we first met. I booked you two times when I was running nightclubs. I booked you at the Palladium for New Year’s Eve, which was an amazing show. And then I booked you at the opening, or right after the opening at Life, a nightclub I ran on Bleecker street. 
You were incredible. The first one was you, and you brought along Gianni Versace, Robin Byrd,  André Leon Talley, and there was one other..
It was Donatella Versace.

And we had Debbie Harry open, or after you performed because that’s the way it works. And the Psychedelic Furs performed for the first time in 10 years, and we had PM Dawn perform at dawn. 
Oh my God. 

So it was the biggest booking I think I ever did. 
Those days are gone. And sadly, cause I miss The Palladium. It was a great club. 

So you’re playing in Tarrytown this Saturday. Is the show the exact show that you’d do in Vegas or New York, or do you tone it down a bit for the local hoi polloi ?
I might just pull it back a bit, because you’re not gonna do a New York-style show in a place that doesn’t call for it. So in the sense of bringing all my wardrobe? No, I’m not gonna do that. But, I’ll be there with my band! We’ll have a great show. Apparently, a lot of NYers have moved to Tarrytown, as with all the surrounding areas of NYC, so you’re always gonna get a good audience wherever you are.

Tonight you’re playing with Elvis Costello, who’s amazing, at The Music of Prince at Carnegie Hall. What is the music of Prince? 
It’s a fundraiser for music education and it’s like 20 different people covering Prince songs. I’m covering “Little Red Corvette” with the band The Roots. You know, Questlove, it’s his band that’s the backup band. And other people are bringing their own bands, but I’m performing with Questlove. They’re backing me up.

You’re right in the forefront of the movement for LGBT rights. Under this administration, there seems to be exponential strides. Even Dirty Harry himself, Clint Eastwood, came out for gay marriage. Are you running out of material? 
That was never my thrust, the gay movement per se. That was certainly the backdrop, because that’s just sort of where the smart, forward-thinking people have always existed, and still do to a certain extent. But my material is much more eclectic than that and always has been. I mean, I never identified myself as, you know, a “gay performer." That’s just not where I’m at. My work is about taking all the things that I thought were sophisticated and important from all the different worlds. From the art world, from the music scene, the underground scene, from vaudeville, to Broadway, to rock ‘n’ roll, to burlesque, to the Black movement. I’ve always melded my shows together. I’m postmodern, honey. I don’t get caught up in one thing. Never have. 

I booked you back in the day because you know how to make a statement. 
And that’s what I’m still doin, honey, cause there’s plenty to make statements about. Now the statement is: how complacent can our culture be? How lazy can we be? How dependent are we on social media? And the lack of people putting themselves out there, meeting new people face-to-face, being inspired, which is the real human experience! That’s what makes people great and interesting. You can’t do that by hiding behind the veils of social media. I mean, it just cuts off people’s ability to grow as people. 

You have this band called The Flawless Zircons, which I think is an amazing name. Tell me about them.

Well, some of the stuff I’ve written and some of the songs are covers. I have a huge musical repertoire that I draw from depending on the night. I switch it up. I love that element of surprise, just the way I’m sure if you talked to The Stones the night before they did a set, they wouldn’t tell you their set-list  Nobody wants to hear ahead of time what they’re gonna be hearing, you know what I mean? And the name – I love to “wow” you with "the big rock" and it turns out to be diamond-wannabee Zirconia. It just makes me laugh.

You do so many things in your career, but what would you like to be remembered as? What is Sandra Bernhard’s legacy? 
As somebody who constantly breaks down the walls of complacency. I love being somebody who can command attention on stage. Who demands attention. Who earns attention. Is somebody who not only entertains you, but makes you walk away at the end of the night and think, “wow, here’s somebody who shares my emotions, my fears, my hopes." There’s a wave that carries us through life, and throws us on to lots of different shores of interesting, exciting, ongoing, inspiring circumstances. But life should always be inspiring. It shouldn’t suddenly drop off the cliff and not be fun anymore, no matter where we’re at culturally or environmentally. We still gotta find ways of making life inspiring. 

How far is the real Sandra Bernhard from the stage Sandra Bernhard? Are you always on? Is it always you? 
No, not at all. I think I can drop into entertaining mode at the drop of a hat. But day-to-day, it’s work! You gotta roll up your sleeves, deal with so many different elements of this business. I’m on both sides of the live-performing and the creative side, and I’m also on the acting side. You can’t just throw it into somebody else’s lap because it’ll just fall apart. At different junctures, I’ve been with the wrong people, and you just gotta wrestle back control of your career, and be collaborative with people. 

Are you happy, or happier?
I’ve always enjoyed my life. As an artist and creative person, you’re always struggling to find level footing because you see things other people don’t see. If you didn’t see them, you would have nothing to talk about. You may lift up corners of rugs that are filthy, and no one wants to look at the filth, but if you don’t look at the filth then you’ve got nothing to talk about. So, when you look at things that are a little shocking or a little scary, they affect you emotionally and physically. That’s what artists do – painters, sculptors, writers, singers, funny people –  we look at things that other people aren’t willing to look at, and then talk about it in a funny or interesting creative way. 
So what’s the future? What comes next? 
Right now, a friend of mine is developing a great television series idea for me and another actress I don’t want to talk about because we’re right in the planning stages. We’re setting up meetings to go out and pitch the idea, and there’s nothing more irritating than when things are in transition. You just gotta let them fall together. But it’s a great idea with another fabulous, highly-visible actress who needs to be seen again, so it’s the two of us. I feel very positive about it, and that’s my next thing that I really wanna get done. 
I remember when you came in for sound check at Palladium, I hadn’t yet met you, and people were saying, " Oh my God, she’s gonna eat you up, and don’t do this…and that…" Then we heard you walk in, and from then on, you were just a joy. You were a joy to work with. So professional.
Thank you, and that’s what you gotta be. I mean, there’s no excuse for being anything less, and there’s no reason not to be. If you’re not professional, you don’t get anything done. You know that, and I know that. And thank you for that gig! It was a great, great night. That was the most fun night. 
Transcribed by BlackBook’s superstar intern Nicole Pinhas. 

The Democratic House of Versace?

Casa Casuarina, the Versace mansion, was back in the news recently for its place in a bidding duel between the Nakash family (of Jordache jeans) and a one Donald Trump. Team Nakash won the property less than 48 hours ago, shelling out $41.5 million for the prize. There was immediate speculation that the former private residence would be turned into a boutique hotel to accompany the Nakash’s Hotel Victor down the street, but according to Jonathan Bennett, the company’s head of real estate and investments, the approach might be more collaborative and cultural than that.

“Running it as a boutique hotel, as it had been previously done, is low hanging fruit, so to speak,” said Bennett in a phone call on Wednesday.

After Gianni Versace was killed on the steps of Casa Casuarina in 1997, it went through various iterations as a private residence, an event space, and a restaurant – Bennett said that if the property were made into a boutique hotel, it would also include those elements.

He added, “A retail concept… we think would be dynamite as well. It would be a combination of all those components. That would be the best use.”

The house has a staid place in fashion history, housing one of the most iconic designers of all time. Versace spent $33 million to renovate the property when he first purchased it, and the decorative tiles and multitude of water features toe the line between Miami and flashy Italian style. The Nakash family plans to preserve these elements, and Bennett believes that the pool and rooms should be open to the public. “It’s really iconic and it’s a part of Miami history. We certainly want to run it that way,” said Bennett.

Versace fountain

So what will that entail? The Nakash family has already reached out to the Versace family in hopes of collaborating on the space and using the Versace name. Bennett said, “It’s one of those logical things. This property is forever intertwined with that family name at this point, so to have their input and to have them involved, we would love that.”

Bennett loves what Ralph Lauren has done with the Rhinelander Mansion on Madison Avenue, preserving the historic aspects of the building while successfully and seamlessly building their brand into the space. The hope is to successfully transform Casa Casuarina into a thriving public space while maintaining the history of the home.

Though no tenants have been confirmed, the hope is to have Casa Casuarina up and running within 30 days, at least as a hotel and event space, before further changes are made or partnerships confirmed. As the conversation went on, I asked about the possibility of a gallery space, to which Bennett replied he’d be very open. “Miami is an art town, and that would be very complementary to the property.”

So that’s where we come in.

“I’m accessible,” said Bennett. “If there’s someone out there who perhaps has an idea that we’re missing, an artist, or a tenant, some kind of concept they want to approach us with, we’re not in an ivory tower. We’re interested in what people want to do with the space.”

From a private residence that reached iconic heights to a public space, with elements suggested by you – the house has made, and will continue to make, quite the transformation. A house of and for the people! How democratic.

Tour the Versace Mansion in South Beach

imageThe Gianni Versace mansion — a.k.a.Casa Casuarina, home away from home for the likes of Madonna, the Clintons, Cher, and Tom Cruise — is finally open to the masses for tours and sleepovers (in the custom couture suites, of course). Historically, the mansion has quite a past. From 1930s oil heir Alden Freeman, to $1-a-night hostel several decades later, to its heyday under Versace, the Casa Casuarina is filled with stories.

Currently owned by media mogul Peter Loftin, the mansion has slowly become public. First it was invitation only, then members only, and now anyone who can pony up the $65 can have a tour, and those than can afford a bit more are invited to book a room for a night or two. You can see for yourself the bathtub (the only on in the house) installed especially for Madonna, the Versace scarf-inspired pool made up of over a million mosaic tiles shipped in from Italy, and the infamous marble toilet with the gold seat.