The Porn Supremacy: Sasha Grey Interviews Terence Koh

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Sasha Grey is a 22-year-old adult-film superstar who, with only four years of experience in the business, has already appeared in more than 200 movies. Grey is firmly planted in that world, but she seems not of it—she’s not stereotypically blonde, bubbly or bland and can hold her own when discussing the writings of Carl Jung (though she does excel in a three-way scene). She crossed over to the mainstream last year in Steven Soderbergh’s The Girlfriend Experience, but immediately and unabashedly returned to porn.

Terence Koh is a 32-year-old mixed-media artist who regularly uses his own bodily discharge in his confrontational and controversial work, often selling it for suitcases of cash. Unlike most gallery darlings, Koh eschews all-black, super-serious nihilism in favor of bright colors and cutesy affectations (when writing, he uses words like “coolio” and “greato”). He recently partnered with the equally outlandish pop star Lady Gaga (he designed the black piano with protruding arms she played at this year’s Grammy Awards) in Tokyo to perform as one-half of GAGAKOH!, which is where Grey found him.

“It’s an honor to be interviewed by you, dear Sasha,” he writes, from his hotel in Japan. “I really loved The Girlfriend Experience. I have never seen so much straight stuff in my life. I had to take off my gay glasses. Anyway, I’m excited for you to ask me all these questions!” She jumped right in.

SASHA GREY: In 2007, you sold your gold-plated feces for $500,000 at Art Basel. Now, you’re selling it on your website—without gold plating—for $150. Why sell it for such a low price? It is, after all, still your feces. TERENCE KOH: I personally believe that any of my feces, gold-plated or not, should be worth its weight in gold. But I wanted to sell it at a lower price-point for students who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford me. I try to be democratic, especially when it comes to my poop.

Speaking of which, what was your last movement like? I just had one at the airport lounge. I am super-duper phobic of germs so I hate to use public toilets. I have to cover every single surface of the toilet seat and even then I think it’s completely disgusting. It makes me dizzy thinking that there are piss stains on the seat. Sometimes I sneak into the women’s toilets because they are usually much cleaner.

Using the Google Voice Search app on my iPhone, I said the first sex-related word that came to mind. I chose “butthole.” But it didn’t work and instead typed “bible.” Aren’t they the same thing? They are both symbols of godly power. God comes from our assholes because we’re most human when we’re on the toilet.

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Many great artists have been able to take negative stereotypes and reclaim them for their own positive use. Are you trying to do this through identifying with punk and queer aesthetics? How are you so astute about the art world, dear Sasha? When I create, I honestly don’t think about it being punk or queer or gay or faggoty or whatever—the ideas kind of pop into my head. I like to think of it as art pooping. I poop out an art idea, fully formed, when it’s ready. And then I try my best to take that idea and make it a reality.

Can you describe your taste in men? My favorite men are athletic, tall and black because it’s like having a dark night fucking you. It’s like the whole universe is fucking you and the stars are little sprinklings of pre-cum.

You seem to have a very dominant personality, yet most would people assume you’re submissive in bed. Am I right to assume you like a little power struggle? You are completely, exactly, perfectly right. I am the world’s happiest bottom, but I am a power bottom. I like to get fucked a certain way and at a certain speed. I want them to cum on me first. I want to control everything.

I’ve often addressed the lack of leading Asian men, with the exception of action stars, in mainstream films and adult films. What are your theories on this imbalance? There definitely need to be more Asians in films of all kinds. As a gay Asian, I have always felt like a niche within a niche: only a fraction of people are gay, and an even smaller fraction think that Asians are attractive. That leaves about 0.008 percent of people who would want to fuck me. And that’s kind of depressing because I would like to be popular. I want to be the most popular artist in the world.

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